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nomad
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Joined: 20-May-2005
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Posted: 15-June-2005 at 2:22pm

Hello...

Gave a presentation to my organization to show off the GEE whiz email filtering tool.

Lots of interest, lots of positive comments--but one little thing did come up, and I agreed with the person:  in naming the Black list for unwanted email, the expression to follow for a 'safe' list is the White list.  Well, using expressions that infer black is bad and white is good got some racial sensibilities going.  Yeah, I know, you're sitting at your computer saying "GIVE ME A BREAK!!"    But it's true. 

Could you change the script (or have an optional patch) so that White list is called Safe list instead?  The Black/Safe dichotomy doesn't offend like the Black/White one could/does.

Other ideas instead of White:  wanted, safe, keep, desirable, yes

Other ideas instead of Black:  unwanted, unsafe, bad, destroy, no

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M.Duggan in Ottawa

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ctaite
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Posted: 27-July-2005 at 3:10pm

Mr. Duggan,

The terms white list and black lists are not only industry norms in the mail filtering business, they are also perfectly acceptable terms according to any dictionary including Merriam Webster:

White List: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&am p;va=whitelist&x=0&y=0

Black List: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&am p;va=blacklist&x=0&y=0

We need to use standardized terms that people can easily understand, especially if they have already used other mail filtering software. The intention is not to offend, but to shorten the learning curve. That being said, you can manually edit the LUA scripts and change the fields to suit your sensibilities.

 



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MikeD
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Posted: 08-September-2005 at 8:48am

Old School!!!

Put away the websters, dude!  MSN uses the term 'safe list' specifically for email addresses that you will accept into your inbox, and 'block' for ones that are not to go to your inbox, and that's about as global a standard as you'll find.

Besides, in the dictionary, those lists aren't referring to email addresses, they are referring to people and in a completely different context (like 50's McCarthy-era black lists of commies and such, or employees who you want to fire soon, etc...).  Extending your argument to email addresses doesn't quite fit, which is why I made my post.

Please think about it, discuss it, and don't dismiss it so easily.  You want to sell this product globally, it's time to adopt a more progressive way of thinking.

Mike D.

Ottawa

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Bob McGeorge
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Posted: 12-October-2005 at 1:06pm

Hey Mike,

Easy on the word "Dude", where I come from it has negative connotations.

Bob M.

 

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m__melvin
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Posted: 05-November-2005 at 3:30pm

M. Duggan (or nomad),

I don't know if you are the Duggan I think you are or not, but if the number 44867 means anything to you, please email me.

-mike (m__melvin@hotmail.com)



Edited by m__melvin on 05-November-2005 at 3:31pm
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